Howard Hughes…Looking back
August 16th, 2007 by Trisha SahaI probably should’ve posted this earlier but I’ve been quite busy since coming home! I actually stayed an extra week to finish up some work on the project so Adrian could have some extra data to include in his paper. On my last day we all went to LocoPops to celebrate the end of my summer research. If you haven’t been to LocoPops, you should really go.
I only wish Peggy could’ve been there but she’s training for a triathlon along Lake Superior.
I had a fantastic time at the poster session!!! I think it was one of the best experiences of my life. I really enjoyed explaining my project to others and surprisingly, I got to meet some people who were specifically interested in it.
Dr. Di Giulio is a PI in the Nicholas School of Environment and he had a high school HH scholar who worked on how PCB acts through the AhR receptor to affect populations of killfish. This is the cool part; the student’s mother, Carole Lannon, is a pediatrician at the Cincinatti Children’s Hospital and she was working on a database for Hypoplastic Left Heart patients. She asked me to send her a copy of my poster pdf and I was really flattered. I was really impressed with the questions I got too! Dr. Truskey, a BME professor who was Racquel’s mentor, asked me if we thought there were more AhR receptors in the left ventricle than in the right. We had never really thought about it and now we’re thinking of doing westerns for AhR receptors.
I also got to meet Dean Scheirer who is the new Chief Prehealth Advisor and we talked about what career paths I’m looking into.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the poster session and I’m very thankful to everyone (Dean Nijhout, Alex, Suzanne, Ms. Wahl, Dr. Kirby) for giving me this opportunity. Mary (Hutson) asked me what I took away from this experience and I said that I learned that research can be fun.
In my previous experiences, I definitely did not think so! I think I finally found what area of biology I’m interested in and I’m so glad.
Having super nice lab mates is a plus too.
I recently got a comment from a mother who had to terminate her pregnancy because she had a child with HLH who could not be saved. She was so encouraging and motivational and really made me realize how important research is. There are people waiting out there for us to keep on working.
School starts in about a week so I need to start packing. I look forward to coming back to the Kirby lab in the fall!











This reminds me of the Bodies exhibit I just went to on Sunday. It was phenomenal!!!! To see the human body and the organ systems as they are was just incredible. In one room, they had many of the normal organs and then the cancerous organs right next to it. Thanks to all the HHers doing cancer research because it does not look pretty and I’m pretty sure it feels a lot worse than it looks. In one display case, there were normal lungs and right beside it there were blackened lungs with cancer and emphysema. Then right beside that there was a glass box for people to throw away their cigarettes and there were a good number of boxes in there. Anyway, my favorite display had to be the one with the brain and then all the nerves extending from it. Then there was the display with JUST skin. yep SKIN. It looked like a rubber suit. Just seeing the body intact was very cool. Go see it at Southpoint if you haven’t already! 
chick embryos
(someone else extracting the embryo…doesn’t require a microscope at later stages)
rnrnDr. Kirby is internationally reknown for her research in heart development. She has done breakthrough research on many crucial features required for normal heart development (arterial pole, neural crest cells,etc). Not only does she focus on these aspects, but she also looks at the BIG picture. Our project for example has its roots in epidemiology since it is looking at the effects of a toxic spill in Baltimore. She looks at her research and asks important questions such as, “How is the environment shaping this? How can this finding be directly applied to problems in society?” Dr. Kirby also teaches pediatric cardiology fellows and grad students at Duke. She is so down-to-earth and accessible. She cares a lot about everyone in the lab and makes the lab a fun place. I sat down with Dr. Kirby for a half hour yesterday and got to ask her some questions about women in science, her greatest discovery, her hobbies, and more.rnrnrnWhat got you interested in science and biology in particular?In 10th grade, my father gave me a microscope and said “I know you’re going to be a scientist.” In college, I started out as an English major but quickly switched to Biology. I didn’t know what to do with that, so I just decided to go to medical school. In medical school, I realized that research and new knowledge was what I was really interested in so I switched into a PhD program(there was no MD/PhD program at the time at my school.)rnrnrnrnYou must have been one of the only women in the field at the beginning of your career. Did you feel like there were many obstacles you had to overcome as a woman?rnIn my med school class, there were 110 people. I was one of six women. Now 50% or more than 50% of med students are women. Some say that this has made medicine “kinder and gentler.” There is still a fair amount of prejudice but we’ve come a long way. I remember the course director of my neuroscience class in med school made remarks such as “women shouldn’t be in medicine.” This came at the same time as when the Equal Rights Amendment was on the table and a senator said that all women should be “barefoot and pregnant.” There are still obstacles out there. Although more women are in the field, there are very few women in the higher ranks.rnrnMale PIs greatly outnumber female PIs here and elsewhere. What would you say to young women who are interested in research and medicine but scared about balancing professional and family life?It’s hard…no question. I’ve had many women come in and out of my lab trying to balance family and professional life. I myself had two young kids and a husband when I was getting into the field. My husband took care of the kids. It’s important to have a partner who is responsive to your needs and requirements, especially during the big steps such as tenure or a promotion. Many peoplernusually go back and forth saying “It’s your turn, now it’s my turn, etc” and it’s usually women who end up taking the hit because they just can’t stand to see their babies going around in dirty diapers. You just have to work really hard at both and you need a lot of support. You can’t do it all by yourself.rnrnrnrnWhat was your greatest discovery? How did you come to find that out?Well, what I am known for is my discovery that neural crest cells are necessary for normal heart development. In France, this group created quail/chick chimeras to observe neural crest cells in the vascular system of the neck. I used the same model to study the heart. I remember I had two high school technicians at the time because I couldn’t afford too much (they were great technicians!). They put these slides in front of me and I immediately realizedrnsomething was really wrong about their hearts. I was expecting functionalchanges, not such obvious structural changes.rnrnYou recently wrote a textbook called “Cardiac Development” which was published by the Oxford University Press.
Did you enjoy the experience?It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do. It was a sustained effort. I would write it at 4 o’clock in the morning because scientists just don’t have extra time for things like this with all the grant writing, etc. It was a labor of love. This was actually in association with a medical illustrator. We had a lot of pictures so I just wanted to make sure her message got out there. That was the impetus.rnrnWhat impact are you hoping this book will have?Heart development was so mysterious in my time (it still is!).It was poorly taught and just a big mess. It’s been an uphill battle though…it’s taken me 15-20 years to feel comfortable. I thought this book might help people in the future so they don’t have to go through that. In previous heart development books, many people would be working out but they’d each write their own part (what they specialize in). This is the WHOLE story. I’m hoping it’ll help pediatric cardiology fellows, physicians, grad students, and researchers.rnrnYou are quite the photographer…How did this become a hobby of yours?It started in junior high when my neighbor taught me a lot about photography. I then came back to it in 1998 when I took a course at the New York Institute of Photography. It’s just a really fun thing to do.Here are some of Dr. Kirby’s fantastic photos!



















rnrnWhat else do you do in your free time?I LOVE the outdoors. That’s my only regret about working in the lab…not being outside more.rnrnWhat is your ideal day at work?hmmm…work in the lab in the morning, have a session with a pediatric cardiologist, work on some manuscripts/reviews, journal club;I LOVE journal club and of course, local meetings here in the lab.rnrnrnrnWhat do you see as the biggest challenge in biomedical research?We’re really good at solving technical problems. We’re bad at understanding the ramifications of what we’re doing. For example, in the 40s and 50s when open-heart surgery was possible, we were doing it on children with all sorts of defects. Now that we know that many of these defects are genetic, the picture is totally different. Now the children that we fixed back then can have children and pass on those genes. We’ve subverted evolution and bred genes into the population. We need to be responsible socially. That is our biggest challenge as a species. Global warming falls in that same category. We’re not seeing the BIG picture. If we’re gonna repair hearts, we have to learn how to repair genes. We’re able to develop things technologically…we’re just missing that other side. It’s a humanistic perspective.”
Living in a college town is AWESOME. Not only do you get to hang out on a great campus and see academia/city life merge, but you also have endless opportunities. To complement the research I would be doing on a congenital heart defect in the Kirby lab, I shadowed some of the top doctors and surgeons in the field at the University of Michigan Congenital Heart Center. It was there that I got to see the phenotype.
I was so impressed by Dr. Jennifer Hirsch, a pediatric cardiac surgeon at the center. What amazed me most was that she’d have Eminem or Fergie playing in the background as she inserted a piece of gore-tex to repair an ASD or VSD (septal defects). Now that’s talent.
So what exactly IS hypoplastic left heart syndrome? It is the most lethal congenital heart defect, resulting in severe underdevelopment in structures of the left side of the heart (in diagram), namely the left ventricle which pumps blood to the entire body via the aorta. With reduced action of the left ventricle, there is mixing of blood and more strain on the right side of the heart to complete the important activities of the left side. Without intervention, babies will die within hours or days. Even after early intervention, patients must undergo further surgeries to reduce the strain on the right side of the heart. For example, i saw a few patients who were about to undergo the Fontan procedure in which the SVC and IVC (vena cavas) are connected to the pulmonary artery so that blood can just directly go to the lungs without passing through the right ventricle. This heart condition can be detected even at the fetal stage by an echocardiogram (notice the tiny left ventricle compared to the normal-sized right ventricle) :
What makes our research on hypoplastic left heart unique is that we’re studying it in an epidemiological context. A long-term study showed that PCB spills in the Baltimore area led to increased rates of hypoplastic left heart. We are studying how the PCB toxin interacts with different cell cycle proteins to inhibit cell proliferation in the ventricle, leading to its underdevelopment. Some of these cell cycle proteins we’re targeting may sound familiar, especially to those of you who took Bio 118…our current list includes p53, Rb, E2F, cyclin D1, cyclin E, and cyclin B. Most importantly, the zebrafish is being used to model hypoplastic left heart and has proven to be very effective.
control fish (blue-stained heart)
PCB-exposed fish (notice the “stringy” heart and swelling of the pericardium, the sac around the heart). Working on this project has been a lot of fun so far…take a look!! Pictures courtesy of the wonderful Alaina Pleatman.
Looking up which antibodies would best recognize zebrafish cell cycle proteins…rnrn
Martha, Laura, me
with Dr. Kirby
with the chick eggs, some lab members do microsurgery to extract the embryos
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I’m glad I finally found an area of research I’m really interested in. Don’t get me wrong, I do like finding out about new genes and obscure proteins but sometimes it’s refreshing to just look at the BIG picture, as well. What I love most is that my project encompasses many of my interests such as epidemiology, pediatric cardiology, environmental science, and cell biology. Next post, I will introduce Dr. Margaret Kirby, my PI and Professor of Pediatrics and Cell Biology. Until then, take care!